The very idea that one can translate human rights abuses into numbers, which can then be compared, is controversial and there are numerous challenges associated with the development of meaningful indicators...[T]here’s fear that the human dimension can be lost if violations are expressed using numbers, as opposed to narratives. There’s also fear that companies would satisfy themselves with simply being better than their competitors, as opposed to strive for a 100% human rights compliant record...Another challenge has to do with who would make the evaluation and would come up with eventual figures...Despite these challenges I am keen on the idea of developing indicators. I think indicators could be a useful complement to other ways to measure corporate responsibility to respect human rights, such as drafting NGO reports. The reality is that some business and human rights indicators already exist and are being used, for example by institutional investors...[T]he question is not whether it can be done, but how to do it as well as possible...[T]he argument really is that we need to occupy that space, otherwise others will.