Salil Tripathi of the Institute for Human Rights and Business spoke to Jessica Evans, the Washington-based senior researcher and advocate who has been working on international financial institutions (IFIs) at Human Rights Watch. She has investigated violations in which the World Bank and other IFIs have been implicated. In the conversation Evans talks about how widespread the practice is, whether the safeguards are effective or not, and what the World Bank Group can do in the wake of the emergence fo the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and the BRICS Bank which China and other developing countries are in the process of developing.